Its time to make —BRAX MESSENGER

GUYS,

I think it’s time to make your Own BRAX Messenger

A Messenger that is similar to SESSION But more better than it

  1. I would love to see a Messenger that has an Option that —Only the Admin can Post a Link or Videos (in a Created Group)

Also I just want to share this:

(I know we can install an Anti-Virus)
But this just came to my mind..
imagine a very High tech Messenger that before you can post a chat, image or Videos —it must be scanned first for Aproval :smiling_face:

Let’s name it “SUPER BRAX MESSENGER” :smiling_face::grin:

The Problem today is the inflicting of Spyware through Steganography

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I like SimpleX better…

I think that it would be a great idea for the Brax Team to make one and for the community to pitch in. Especially if it worked across platforms securely. That’s tough though. A lot of projects have their own messenger or private chat. Its a very popular thing to do, but often it’s just some bunk rebranded XMPP pretending not to be. An actual secure messenger branded as Brax would be cool even if it was basic. Lots of room for improvement over the years on it as well and also a great way to spread the brand name (especially if you can invite non-brax users to join).

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Just being realistic for a moment here. Why would they do that when the Messenger space is already full of products, some of which work well.

If you watched the latest Brax Thursday night thing, Rob mentions that the reason they developed the BraX3 was that the “phone space” didnt have what they filled with the BraX3.

Also, the Brax3 folks made an open hardware device, but all the OSs and any software are third party partnerships. So it would seem logical that if they did want to make a Messenger, they would go that route as well.

Then there is return on investment. Who’s making money on messengers ?!? All the telcos in the US tried that, and ultimately shut them down.

The phone was a good idea because it fills a space in a growing market, that didnt exist with the big players.

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Yep - great summary! :index_pointing_up: :+1:

What you are suggesting sounds like a great idea to me.

Thanks for all your efforts to provide a safer free commutation on line community.

JAR

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Super Brax Messenger. Sounds cool :slight_smile:

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Simplex is nice; but it has reliability issues synching to the desktop client. Session is more reliable across platforms and provides plenty of anonymity and security in my experience.

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So I’ve never tried to sync to desktop, but can imagine there could be issues with a sync, due to the message data being stored on the mobile device only, and no temporary copies anywhere else. But I think that is what I like about it. That data only exists on that single device itself.

Since using the BraX3 (beta) I have used the “account transfer” option several times to move the data set between my BraX3 and my Fairphone 4, and that has worked very well. I do wish they would get rid of the Notes thing though, or let me disable it in the client, so I can stick to just messaging.

I do think the Brax folks, in general, like Sessions and talk about it quite a bit in the videos. That’s another reason why I feel that their developing a BraX Messenger is not a priority.

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You’re right, but I was coming from a different perspective. From the perspective of money generated from the app - you are 100% right. Not worth it. My mind goes to branding, and advertising and market freedom. I’m not thinking now I always think tomorrow. So this is how I was thinking about it…

If you stop adding to the market, even if it’s already full, you end up with no choice eventually. There will be, over time, company enlargement due to consumer demand which will result in buy outs, boards being made, board members will sell shares, communities will lose interest and eventual technocracy. If it works well - someone wants to buy it - to control it - or it will eventually be exploited because it is rich in population (basically data). The bigger it becomes the more workers it needs, the more management they need, and the next thing you know it’s a big corporation. This is all in time.

The more options there are, the more spread out people are, the less likely the market space will be commandeered by government agencies, conglomerate corporations, shareholder capitalists, ect. That’s my thought. I’m advocate for anything that competes with those entities and keeps options open. The market should never get to a point where it gets restricted out of complacency. I’m like you I have a certain messenger I like a lot, but I use multiple ones because I have people on everything (and that’s their choice). Its part of the freedom.

As for advertising I think that’s why a lot of projects do it. Probably not for the money. Nothing sinister about it, but the fact is projects need support, to get their name out, and they need people who just love the project. An app is a fun little thing that you tell others about. If they like it they think maybe the other stuff is great too. Next thing you know you gain more interest in the project you care most about.

Its like a side-load onto a restricted OS. If you say “Hey go get a Brax phone or a router” people are resistant. They ask why? How can you trust it? Its not well known… etc. They never buy it. If I say watch this free video, join this free community, or check out this cool app - look at these sweet features and look how secure it is - People have interest.

Its a strange psychology, but I’m guessing because these things are usually free or low fee it’s more palatable, but to buy hardware takes more confidence and commitment. From acceptance of the app then they then are more open to a phone or a router or whatever. Also the name now has meaning. Brax is privacy. Brax is safe. Brax is __ etc. It is a trust building exercise. Not really something to directly generate income from the app. You’d probably, initially, lose money on the app unless it was a community open source project, but the potential gains are there if it wows people enough and carries the brand name. It would have a benefit if it was well made and easily sharable I think.

As for the telcos I’m with you on that. Its an absolute crime, but this is a prime example of a restricted market. It should not have been allowed to get that way, but it has been basically made into a utility by governments worldwide and the regulations set make it so hard to break into it unless you piggy back - which doesn’t really open the market up.

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Sorry, I worded that a bit confusingly. I don’t mean sync as in messages showing up on the mobile and the desktop. I mean the desktop client won’t connect your account so that you can send messages from the same account on the desktop as you would from the mobile device.

I think the best solution is us all having our own self-hosted XMPP servers. Then they’re being some sort of bridge created so that we can link all of our different respective servers together so that it’s more decentralized and we’re able to simply link our self-hosted servers with any other self-hosted servers that we would like to communicate with.

I understood :slight_smile: But I feel SimpleX has done that on purpose, because there are tradeoffs for the privacy side of things. So for me, that model is completely cool. But I completely understand the attraction to Sessions.

So funny thing, SimpleX, you can actually run your own server, like in your homelab.

They give you the ability to link the mobile app to the desktop. It just doesn’t complete the linking process successfully. I’m sure they didn’t make it fail the linking process on purpose; but I do see how it failing this process is a natural consequence of their privacy model. In fact, I was suprised it had a dektop app linking feature. I was not at all shocked when it failed.

Ooooo, that’s cool! I didn’t know that. :slight_smile:

In the conversation around a BraX3 Messenger, this could be an quick and easy alternative.

I feel like we've hijacked this thread... my apologies!

So you got me curious, and I decided to try to set this up this AM, and it worked OK for me. But there are some know issues/conditions you have to meet.

  • both devices have to be on the same network
  • if your PC is running a firewall, during the linking SimpleX will give you a random port you need to open to allow communication
  • some people have had issues because they have a vpn running, system-level, on their computer or mobile. This needs to be off… or if your vpn supports it, you need to whitelist your local network so it’s local traffic is not routed via the vpn.

For me, I run a vpn at my router, so on my desktop I just stopped my ufw service to test, and it worked fine. The vpn thing was discussed a lot in the SimpleX issues on git.

Ah, this makes sense. We definitely have client side firewalls. I certainly appreciate privacy; but I need to strike the balance between security and privacy. So, I’ll stick with my other messengers for the most part. We use SimpleX for a few things, just not much.

If a Brax Messenger does come to fruition, I would like to see that balance striken better. Closer to Session than SimpleX in functionality and feature support. Being able to link to desktop is crucial as typing lengthy messages on an on-screen keyboard is enragingly frustrating. Wish so desperatly for a Brax4 (or Brax3.5) with a hardware keyboard in the future!!